Interview with Tomaso De Luca

Giacomo Pigliapoco

In February 2019, in Southwest Philadelphia, a real estate agent narrowly escaped what appeared to be an amateur guillotine designed to kill him. How did you first come across this news story, which inspired the creation of Desperate Times, and what led you to consider it as a potential starting point for your work?

Tomaso De Luca

For the show Something Out Of It, the first chapter of LIAF 2022 – the biennial of the Lofoten archipelago in Norway – held in Venice in April 2022, the space I was dealing with was the private residence of two collectors. I had been thinking for some time about the violence of domesticity and architecture, about the meaning of the word “safe” and the home as an apparatus of class struggle. I came across the news from Philadelphia almost accidentally, and it seemed to me a fundamental starting point for the work: certainly, the trap is a visible and concrete object of violence, but it is equally true that the institutionalized violence of dispossession, gentrification, finance capital, and the housing market is a far more reticular, complex, and brutal trap.

GP

Precariousness, domestic accidents, closed or incomplete architecture, and the survival instinct... Are these perhaps the desperate times you refer to in the title of the work?

TDL

Not really. The desperate times in which we live are far more complicated than that. In the book, The Reality Overload, the writer Annie Le Brun reminds us how the actual deforestation and desertification of the planet also corresponds to a desertification of thought. Capitalism’s extractive opus goes far beyond the physical world; it also affects time, the subconscious, imagination, and desire. Resisting this progressive personal and collective deforestation requires the production of alternative “machines”, that is, compositions of bodies, objects, and thoughts capable of sabotaging the extractive process. The title of the work alludes to the saying “desperate times call for desperate measures” and is, in a way, strangely optimistic: it is an invitation to imagine countermeasures and alternative technologies for the creation of the self and the world around us.

GP

In another one of your sculptural works, also centered around these craft traps, you state: «All sculptures and architectures fall into the category of the trap». What did you mean by this statement?

TDL

Working on traps has allowed me to find an “oblique” entry point to deal with historically established practices such as architecture and sculpture, which have well-defined parameters. By changing these parameters even slightly (removing a door from a room turns it into a prison), it seems clear how the trap ontologically originates much of the cultural production. According to the anthropologist Alfred Gell, traps – as well as art objects – are akin to machines, automatons that embody the intentions of the hunter/artist and, at the same time, mimic the environment and behaviours of the victim/spectator/inhabitant, turning them into their own paradoxical and lethal doppelgänger. Although I disagree with some of Gell’s modernist positions, I find that this idea of a trap world opens up interesting scenarios to work with.

GP

Nearly all of your works lack any human presence, yet these scenes continue to move by imploding, rising, activating or floating. Who are the invisible, activating presences in your works?

TDL

They’re ghosts.